Hey, clutter bugs. Welcome back to the clutter bug podcast. So excited today. We're doing an

interview. I'm here with Darla DeMoro. And she, I have, I loved your book, Sort and Succeed.

Now, I mean, that's such a classic book. You are a best-selling author. Your new book, The Upbeat

Organized Home Office was excellent. I definitely got a sense that you are a very detailed person.

So I want to talk about that and and all the things that you were an expert of. But to learn more

about Darla, I want you to head over to her website, Heartwork Organizing. And I love the name

of your business. So welcome, Darla. Thank you for being here. Thank you, Cass. I am so glad we

could finally make this work. Yeah, it's been a while. I keep canceling on you and then I had

COVID. We're actually going to be speaking at the NAPO convention. So I get to meet you in person

in a couple of weeks. Yes, exactly. I know we've been sort of in each other to orbit for a

couple of years, now a few years. And I am super excited that we're going to be in Baltimore

with our NAPO colleagues. And yeah, it's going to be a great time. It is going to be a great time.

Okay, so reading your book, I got the sense that you are a pretty detailed person. One of your

expertise is photo organization, which is my worst nightmare. So are you a detailed person?

Are you a person who's pretty meticulous and loves to sort? Obviously.

I am. I am a pretty much a natural born organizer, but even the organized among us can get better.

And I'll tell you, I was challenged. Actually, it just got back from our annual conference of

the photo organizers. So I am a member of more than one organizing group as many professionals in

our orbit are. So I just got back from the photo managers conference and my story on that is

I've been organizing for about seven years. When I found out there was a photo organizing group

and up until that point, I thought, oh, I was like, yo, I was like, I don't want to organize

photos because I thought it was scrapbooking. And I just, you know, Cass, I know you've organized

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