Hello and welcome to another episode of iWay with Jemina Jamell. I hope you're well and if you're not,

you might feel better after today's episode because I love it when a friend comes onto this podcast.

I know I always say that, I mean I love everyone who comes on this podcast but when a close

buddy of mine who normally I have these conversations with over facetime,

honours me with their presence on this podcast, it really makes my day. And Phoebe Robinson is

someone who I'm so grateful to be friends with because she's just such a rare find in an industry

that is really sharky waters and full of people who aren't grounded a lot of the time or who aren't

kind a lot of the time or who don't have other women's back in particular and I think specifically

women of colour be them brown or black or like wherever they're from like in particular I'm

made to feel like you have to compete with each other because there's only one spot for any one

ethnicity in kind of all white spaces. It can make a lot of people turn against each other and

thankfully post me too we're seeing less and less of that but she was like one of my first friends

in this business and and someone who just was so instantly kind and open and not suspicious and

she's one of my favourite writers. I have all of her books and her newest book please don't sit on

my bed in your outside clothes is a welcome addition to that collection arguably. In fact I think

it's generally considered that it's her best book so far. It's such an excellent read. It's easy

whilst being hard hitting like it really ticks all of the boxes for what you could want in a read

and I have enjoyed going to bed every night reading this book and and learning more about her

ever changing perspective. I love the fact that these books have kind of documented her way through

her 20s and 30s and now we find her almost 37 and where she's at now emotionally covering all

kinds of different topics you know and she wrote this during the pandemic so she covers a lot of

you know last year but in a way that feels insightful not like it's dragging us backwards.

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