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I procrastinated doing today's intro for a long time because I'm so excited and I just didn't know how to introduce someone who I was shocked wanted to talk with me and who is even nicer and smarter and more introspective than I'd imagined.

Today, friends, I talked to the comedian Phoebe Robinson, who was a co-host with Jessica Williams of the much-loved podcast and then TV show, Two Dope Queens.

The two interviewed other famous people like Lovar Burton,

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