Kathy. Yes, Tobin. You know how everyone is obsessed with Marie Kondo and like

Kondoing their homes? Yeah, I take issue with that because I love Marie Kondo, but I was way ahead of the game. Me too.

My sister told me about this book years ago. She found the book and loved it and then told me that I needed to get this book

and all she told me was that it's in Japanese and translated and it's super short.

So I downloaded the life-changing magic of tidying up. I pulled it up on my e-reader and all I see is like a page of random sentences in front of me like what is cleaning.

And so in my mind, I don't know if I was tired or if I just wasn't thinking, I was like, okay, this is the book.

I'm supposed to like think about what these mean. So I did like maybe two minutes of contemplating.

And then finally I'm like, wait a minute and I click my e-reader and it's the table of contents.

Oh, Tobin. Tobin.

But then I condoed and now I have twice as much stuff.

From WNYC Studios, this is Nancy.

With your host Tobin Low and Kathy too.

So, Kathy. Yes. I don't know about you, but I find myself sort of clinging to any good news about queer media.

Yeah, it's been a pretty brutal month for queer media.

Into which is this great site that reported on queer issues with Jusha down and BuzzFeed fired

most of their LGBT reporters. Yeah, and the future just seems really uncertain for a lot of queer

publications. Which is why I think recently you and I were both intrigued to hear that

Philip Picardi was going to take over as editor-in-chief at Out Magazine, the longtime gay men's

magazine. I think some people were surprised by the move. Philip is probably best known for

helping transform team Vogue into one of the most talked about magazines in the country.

Then he started them, which does great reporting on queer stories.

Right, and now he has jumped ship for Out. He said he really wants the magazine to be more

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