I'm just interested in the corners, the little dusty corners that people aren't really paying attention to.

That's the most interesting stuff to me. I mean that's the point of art.

And actually in some ways that's the point of collecting, like there's nothing that makes me more excited than

being surprised whether it's looking at art or looking at someone's watches or

their cars ago oh shit that's so fascinating I haven't seen that before. Oh, Hey everybody. I'm your host Stephen Pulburn and this is Hodincky Radio.

We had a show all mapped out for you, but then at the end of last week on Thursday and Friday mornings we

woke up to some pretty crazy news both the watches and wonders and Baselworld

shows for 2020 have been cancelled that means there's going to be no major watch trade shows this year as far as we can tell. So I

grew up John and Jack, both of whom have been going to these shows for years, and we sat down in the studio as the news was breaking

about Basel World to discuss what's happening, what it means

for the industry, and sort of what it means to us personally to not be attending the

shows. I learned a ton from these guys, especially as the situation is still evolving,

and I think you're really going to like the conversation.

After that, we've got my chat with artist and photographer

Phil Toledano.

You might remember Phil from his 2016 episode of Talking Watches. It was the one with the bright red BMW in the background

and a whole bunch of funky brightling and sako chronographs. Phil is a consummate collector.

His taste is always evolving. He's always looking for that next

interesting under-appreciated thing. Sometimes to the point where even when he

appreciates it, nobody else does. That's kind of what makes him so

interesting and so special.

There's always a why to the what,

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