From KCRW in Santa Monica, this is The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment. I'm Elvis Mitchell, which you're here on KCRW.com.

My guest, Phil Rosenthal, is probably best known to many of you for the little weird logo that you see at the end of Everybody Loves Raymond, which he created and he's the executive producer of.

He has a book now.

You're lucky, you're funny.

Phil Rosenthal, thanks so much for being here.

Thanks.

Hi, Elvis.

How are you?

I'm doing good.

Very nice.

It's a fascinating book because you talk about how much your entire life, your whole social

history and the social history of everybody you knew comes into play in the show.

What's fascinating to is reading how basically Ray becomes an actor.

He becomes, he learns how to play Ray on the show who's kind of different from the Ray Romano in real life.

Right. Tell the story about how you got him to have a fairly touching scene with Peter Boyle.

Oh, well, you know, at the beginning, he wouldn't do anything that he didn't naturally do in life, which is when you think about it, that's what a method actor does.

You know, they want to really live it, they want to feel it.

So, Ray, without knowing it, that's what he is, right?

And we got to something in the script that called for him to give his father a kiss on the forehead at the end of the scene.

And he stopped rehearsal and he said, no way would that ever happen.

And he kind of got upset about it as we kind of talked about it some more.

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