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The Fighter & The Kid

Phil Daru Explains Why Khamzat REALLY Gassed Out | TFATK Ep. 1193

The Fighter & The Kid

Thiccc Boy Studios | PodcastOne

Comedy, Sports, Society & Culture

4.217.4K Ratings

🗓️ 28 May 2026

⏱️ 106 minutes

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Summary

Phil Daru from Marek Health joins Brendan Schaub and Bryan Callen on The Fighter and The Kid to break down Khamzat Chimaev’s cardio issues, fighter mentality, overtraining, Bo Nickal’s wrestling-heavy style, concussion damage, sports-specific training, and the science behind elite UFC performance.

Phil Daru has trained world champions across UFC, boxing, bare knuckle fighting, and professional sports, and explains what separates elite fighters from great athletes — including recovery, strength & conditioning, weight cuts, endurance, mobility, and mental toughness.

The crew also discusses Sean Strickland, Khabib’s pressure style, football injuries, combat sports psychology, and why some fighters mentally break under pressure.


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0:00.0

This is really the fighter and the kid.

0:03.0

This is really the fighter and the kid.

0:07.0

Come on, baby.

0:08.0

We got Phil DeRue in the house and maybe a man is trained multiple world champions.

0:15.0

And I watched you train and I was taken by your scientific approach approach and you just keep

0:24.2

growing but it makes sense thank you because because you're one of those guys that uh i don't know i

0:29.1

can't remember but i just remember you being different it's hard to differentiate yourself maybe because

0:33.8

you were an athlete as well that helps i mean i think i think being in the sport and actually being in it since I was young, allows me to really tap into the things that are necessary for those individuals to get to where they want to be. Also, like, the communication side to it, too, as well. I think that's a big thing. But what about, like, there's this whole talk now about-training? Like, like, they were talking about how Chimai F like overtrained. Hamzai does, yeah. Yeah. And so it's like, what does that mean? What does that balance there? Well, you want to find the direct amount of stimulus to adapt to the certain situations to allow them to get better yeah but then if you

1:11.7

overdo it then you get to a point where you overstress the body cortisol starts to rise you can't

1:16.6

really recover from the training session so finding that that's my problem but but that's my problem

1:21.7

but i think that's the key there it's like if you watch hamzot's training and they would post a lot of it

1:26.5

you know i see them doing you know carrying these tires and carrying these rocks and doing the sledgehammer in my mind. I'm like, I don't see a lot of wrestling going on. Yeah. So it's like it's not applicable. Yeah, sports specific. So and it's not against that strength coach who's amazing who that TJ worked with, You know, they have Aaron Pico, all the big boys work with them.

1:44.4

You know, but his his background is in endurance cycling

1:50.2

yeah so these boys they they probably have crazy cardio i'm sure it's off the charts when they're

1:54.5

testing their levels and all that stuff but my thing is like how's that transfer transfer to actually

1:59.9

shoot an explosive double legs and single

2:01.9

legs and the all the transitioning and all that it's hard to talk about because that fight

2:06.6

they're they're talking about his training and the lead up to that training but there's so many

2:11.3

factors and you know that so many factors i i i think it's a mental thing yeah i don't i don't

2:16.0

to blame it on the weight cut, to blame it on the strength

2:19.8

coach, to blame it on any of the teammates, which they haven't, I'm just saying.

2:23.0

Yeah.

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