Hey, everybody. My guest is Adam and GFC. And he is the CEO and founder of OpenTheBooks.com.

And by the way, my voice, everybody is really ad today. So bear with me. Before dedicating his

life public service, Adam co-founded home page directories, $20 million dollar publishing company.

He is a senior policy contributor at Forbes. Adam has nearly 17 million page views on his 206

published investigations, Act Finding Fauci, which is his most recent publication, has led to

the cancellation of his column, which was predictable. I could have told you that was going to happen.

I wanted to have you on your atom because you succeeded at doing something that I was

trying to do while I researched my book, The Real Antony Fauci, that was not able to do because

NIA and this is to find out how much in royalty payments Tony Fauci is actually getting.

And what is the amount of royalty payments that are received by his deputies and by other people

within that agency? This is supposed to be NIH's supposed to be a regulatory agency. And it's really

almost done found in that the people who are working there are collecting royalties on the products

that they're supposed to be regulating. The mercantile interest of those scientists and those

public officials ends up wagging the regulatory dog and the mercantile functions NIH, as we've

seen over and over again, have been utterly subverted by these kind of mercantile ambitions

that people who work there in opportunities. So you were able by litigating against NIH,

you were able to get really the first real glimpse of what's happening with these royalty payments

from the industry. And it really is striking. I think you found over $350 million as royalty

payments to over 900 scientists who work for that agency. So tell us what you found, tell us about

the difficulty you've had in dealing with NIH to come clean about this kickback scheme. Let me

call it that. Is that fair to call it a kickback scheme? Sure, I'm not sure what the legal definitions

of the kickback scheme is, but it's definitely legalized and it's definitely a flow of payments to

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