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Curious Cases

Phantom Pain

Curious Cases

BBC

Science

4.84.1K Ratings

🗓️ 19 December 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

What exactly is 'phantom pain' and how does it work? Hannah and Dara investigate a medical phenomenon that's been known about for centuries but is often misunderstood; and involves masses of unanswered questions.

The condition 'phantom pain' is when someone gets a sensation of pain that feels like it's coming from a part of their body that's no longer there - so that could be an amputated limb, or perhaps something that has been removed, such as a tooth or an organ. It's thought to be caused by how the brain and body process pain and physical awareness, but there's still debate around what exactly is going on neurologically.

Researchers around the world are looking into the condition; in the meantime, people who experience phantom pain - like today's studio guest Lynn - often have to try out a range of treatments, to find out what combination works best for them. But as the team discover, pain is deeply subjective - and in this case, there is really no 'right answer'...

Contributors: - Tamar Makin, Professor of Cognitive Neuroscience at the MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit at the University of Cambridge, where she leads the Plasticity Lab; - Lynn Williams, a qualified therapist and upper limb amputee who volunteered as a subject for one of Tamar’s research programmes; - Carlos Roldan, Associate Professor in the Department of Pain Medicine at the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center; - Keren Fisher, a Consultant Clinical Psychologist who’s worked in the NHS for more than four decades; largely in pain management at the Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital.

Producers: Emily Bird & Lucy Taylor Executive Producer: Alexandra Feachem

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0:00.0

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0:07.0

Hello, Greg Jenner here, host of You're Dead to Me, the comedy podcast that takes history seriously and then laughs at it.

0:13.4

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0:17.2

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0:18.2

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0:21.8

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0:26.8

but just long enough to argue with me, tell their life stories and sometimes get on my nerves.

0:31.8

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0:32.8

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0:34.1

Listen on BBC Sounds.

0:36.5

You're about to listen to a brand new episode of Curious

0:39.1

Cases. Shows are going to be released weekly, wherever you get your podcast. But if you're in the

0:43.4

UK, you can listen to the latest episodes first on BBC Sounds. I'm Hannah Fry. And I'm Dara

0:52.4

O'Brien. And this is Curious Cases. The show will we take your

0:55.6

quirkiest questions? Your crudious conundrums. And then we solve them. With the power of science.

1:00.6

I mean, do we always solve them? I mean, the hit rate's pretty low. But it is with science.

1:05.2

It is with science.

1:09.4

We've got a bit more of a serious curious case for us today, Dara.

1:13.3

Okay, that's fine.

1:14.1

We are talking about people who have lost limbs or parts of their bodies

1:19.3

and still have sensation in those parts.

1:23.8

The phantom pain.

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