Welcome to the Dispatch podcast.

I'm Sarah Isger, joined today as always by Steve Hayes, Jonah Goldberg and David French.

Today on the podcast, yes, we do have to talk about the impeachment trial yesterday, but

not what happened at the impeachment trial.

Talk about some of the larger issues implications moving forward for our democracy, our country.

And then I dive in a little with some of the reporting that the guys have done this week,

our nuclear arsenal, executive privilege, and guns enrichment.

That's all coming up on the podcast.

So obviously yesterday was the start of the impeachment trial.

And I'm just going to skip right to the end of yesterday, which was the chief justice

reprimanding.

I think is the appropriate verb to use both sides.

Petty fogging was the word was the example he came up with.

Petty fogging an old term for worrying too much about details that are minor or unimportant.

That is not what he was saying was going on.

I will read you what he said in 1905, the swan trial, a senator objected when one of the

managers used the word petty fogging and the presiding officer said the word ought not

to have been used.

I don't think we need to aspire to that high of a standard, but I do think those addressing

the Senate should remember where they are.

And with that, I guess I don't want to jump in to the details of the back and forth.

For the same reasons that John Roberts was alluding to there, but I do want to talk

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