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Welcome to the Bowen Podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes.

Join once again by our good friend Peter Wainer, contributing right over to The Atlantic in the

New York Times whose books include The Death of Politics, How to Heal Our Frayed Republic After

Trump, and Peter is a senior fellow with the Trinity Forum in the Surve. In the Reagan Bush 41

and Bush 43 administrations, good to have you back, Peter. Thanks, Charlie. It's always great to be

on the show and to have the conversation with you. As you know, I struggle against, and I weren't

against irrational exuberance, or actually hopefulness of any kind, which is why I want to talk to you about

this. In the first 24 hours after the reports of the Donald Trump Kanye West, Nick Fuente's

Nazi dinner, it looked like we were going to see the same old pattern of Republicans looking at

their shoes, pretending they didn't know about it, observing strategic silence. There are some

indications that that may be changing. And again, as I wrote in my newsletter, I say it

it feels a little bit hopeful. Let me just read you something from a semaphore this morning.

Trump's dinner party seemed to be going a way of prior Trump scandals over the holiday weekend.

A lot of noise in the press, a handful of attention getting condemnations from Republicans,

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