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Hello Peter, thank you for doing this.

Hello, Tyler.

Now the title of this conversation is political theology.

That was a phrase, I think first used by the Russian anarchist Bakunin,

to mock the Italian nationalist, Masini.

German legal theorist Carl Schmidt then picked it up and said it's something

that everyone needs. They all need a political theology. What does the term mean to you?

Well it's a it's a bit of a fuzzy broad, but maybe sort of to motivate it as a contrast. I think that in late modernity

We're often living in this world of hyper-specialization where you can't think about the big picture and it's sort of like, I don't know, it's like Adam Smith's pin factory on steroids is sort of our world.

And I think, I think there is some way that we have to try to integrate all these different

facets of our life to try to make progress. And that's what political philosophy does. That's

what political theology does. The reasons these sorts

of things were abandoned. You know, I think maybe it's already like the Enlightenment sort of abandoned

from, you know, and one type of reason it was abandoned

was because it's too hard to figure this stuff out,

it's just a sort of a fool's errand.

I'm inclined to think the other reason was that was often

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