Peter Pomerantsev on the War Against Reality
The Lawfare Podcast
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4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 19 December 2019
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of our Arbiters of Truth series, Alina Polyakova and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Peter Pomerantsev, a research fellow at the SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University and the author of "This is Not Propaganda: Adventures in the War Against Reality." The book explores how the nature of propaganda has shifted as authoritarian governments move from silencing dissent to drowning dissent out with squalls of disinformation. Pomerantsev argues that this transformation traces back to the cynicism and chaos in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union, but now it's become all too familiar around the world.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:29.6 | Hello, it's Councillor Intruder. |
| 0:35.2 | We face a new form of censorship. |
| 0:37.5 | And it's a censorship that doesn't allow us to see how the information environment around |
| 0:43.0 | this is being shaped. |
| 0:44.8 | So we don't know if something online is my in law or an influence operation, a covert |
| 0:52.8 | one run from St. Petersburg or from Texas. |
| 0:57.5 | We don't know why algorithm shows one piece of content and not another. |
| 1:01.0 | We don't know which bits of our own data are used to target us. |
| 1:04.0 | We don't know who's behind that target. |
| 1:06.8 | So actually, even though we have all this information around the importance information, |
| 1:10.8 | the understanding of how the whole ecosystem is created is essential. |
| 1:17.0 | So in the old days, we kind of knew who owned the newspaper, who owned the TV and we could |
| 1:22.2 | defend ourselves intellectually and we could use our media literary skills. |
| 1:25.8 | You can't use media literacy skills. |
| 1:27.8 | You can't use your critical functions. |
| 1:31.3 | I'm Quintedjurezik and this is the LawFair podcast, December 19, 2019. |
| 1:38.4 | Today we're bringing you a new episode from our Arbiter's of Truth series on disinformation |
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