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That's audible.com slash Wondery UK. Welcome to this special live edition of the Cynica podcast coming to you from our next China conference at the China Institute in downtown Manhattan.

Make some noise, New York. This is all done in the interest of embarrassing our guest. Anyway, and Jeremy.

I am Kaiser Guo, joined of course by Jeremy Goldhorn, editor-in-chief of Sub-China,

who I haven't seen in person since, what, like late 2019, I think it was, like almost two years now. Jeremy has so far avoided being subpoenaed

by the January 6th committee, and I ask that if anyone in the audience is actually here to serve him,

that you please wait until we are done with this recording, and then he will gladly accompany

you in or out of handcuffs. I want to also say that

Jeremy, on his behalf, he deeply regrets his role in the insurrection. Meanwhile, greet

the people before your days are approved. Thank you. It's good to have a chance to speak to the

public before my incarceration. I cannot tell you how thrilled we are to, both of us really, to have with us our guest,

Peter Hessler, right here, in the flesh, on stage.

Peter.

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