The Hi, welcome back to Conversations. I'm Bill Crystal, and I'm joined today by

Peter Berkowitz, Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, author of fine books and articles on topics

ranging from Nietzsche to the American founding to constitutionalism, international

law, higher education. It's been a particular concern of yours recently, the universities.

I thought maybe we begin there actually because I've been so struck by your writing on higher

education, on higher education, the universities, their problems.

Where I go, people say American higher education, best in the world.

It's a jewel in the American crown.

It's one of the areas we're most competitive in. Something we should

feel good about. No big problems. You don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I see something

a little different when I look at campuses, when I stroll on campuses, when I read what professors and

administrators are writing about what should be done on campus.

What I see is a halling out of the core curriculum I see I should say a hollowing out of the core I see a

politicizing of the curriculum I see curtailing a freedom of speech, liberty of thought and discussion on campus,

and increasingly, especially these last several years, an evisoration of due process on campus

for students accused these days usually in sexual harassment and

sexual assault cases.

So I see a bad situation.

And what do you think the relationship of all these pieces is?

I mean, sort of what's causing what causing what's the problem at the core of it

or is there one maybe there's several problems at once?

Yeah I think I think there is a route and I think there are several problems at once

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