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Zero To Travel Podcast

Peru’s Hidden Gems, Why NOT to Hike the Inca Trail + Amazing (Less Crowded) Alternatives with Heather Jasper

Zero To Travel Podcast

Jason Moore

Society & Culture, Business, Entrepreneurship, Places & Travel

4.6866 Ratings

🗓️ 7 October 2025

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

Is it possible to hike the Inca Trail ethically? Heather Jasper is a travel writer and photographer who has been based in Cusco, Peru, since 2019. She has written for BBC Travel, Fodor’s, Frommer’s, and other major outlets, leading readers off the beaten path across Peru. In this episode, we dig into why Heather believes it’s nearly impossible to hike the Inca Trail ethically, and she offers lesser-known, more respectful alternatives and hidden gems across Peru. This episode may help you become a better traveler and make more informed decisions. Heather explains why the system behind the Inca Trail, from permit quotas to porter treatment, is deeply flawed. You’ll hear exactly what red flags to look for when choosing a trekking company in Peru and what questions to ask before booking. We also explore alternative routes that offer just as much beauty with less harm, plus other parts of Peru that travelers often skip entirely. What’s one assumption you hold about a destination you’re planning, and how might you challenge it? I'd love to hear about it, and I hope you’ll share by sending me an audio message. Tune In To Learn: How Heather built a career in travel writing while living in Peru (and her thoughts on AI!) Why she says the Inca Trail is almost impossible to hike ethically What happened during the pandemic that sharpened her view on porter welfare How to spot an “unethical” trekking company just by their marketing or photos The surprising reason why smaller trekking agencies tend to be more ethical Specific treks in Peru that bypass the worst of mass tourism Hidden destinations in Peru beyond Machu Picchu - art, desert, rainforest, and religious tourism And so much more Resources: Sign up for our FREE newsletter Heather’s website An Ethical Guide to Hiking the Inca Trail Horizon Guides Alternatives to the Inca Trail Instagram Want More? How to Plan a Hike on the Inca Trail, Winning $500,000 on a Game Show, Learning from the Past with Philip Gibbons Nomadic Matt on “How to Travel the World on $75 a Day,” Budget Travel, and Finding Your Balance While Traveling DIY Adventure: Around the World in a $100 Car, the Pan-American Highway in a School Bus, Community-Powered Travel with Global Convoy Founder Joel Chevaillier Thanks To Our Sponsors CREATOR: The Podcast - Join host Ross Borden as he uncovers how top creators built six-figure incomes from beach cafes, mountain peaks, and everything in between.  Atlas Obscura Podcast: Experience an audio guide to the world's strange, incredible, and wondrous places. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, it's Jason here. Quick announcement about today's episode, not your normal introduction

0:06.4

here, but I wanted to give you a little background on this one. Recently, we published an episode

0:12.0

about hiking the Inca Trail. And I got an email from a listener, Heather Jasper, who was our guest

0:17.6

today. And she told me the email that she is based in Peru. She's a

0:23.8

travel writer and she's hiked the Inca Trail twice and spent years investigating the workers' rights abuses

0:29.3

on the trail. And she let me know that typically the permits for the Inca Trail go out in October.

0:39.7

And so I thought this one was timely.

0:42.4

I needed to kind of rush it out here to give you a bit of a perhaps counterpoint

0:47.6

and some alternative destinations to the Inca Trail in case that's something you're planning

0:53.0

to do and you're trying to secure a permit in the coming month.

0:58.3

And she shares her story behind why she says it's impossible to hike the Inca Trail ethically.

1:06.2

But beyond that, I wanted to get some other alternative destination recommendations in hikes,

1:12.0

not just alternatives to the Inca Trail, but some other amazing, less crowded alternatives

1:16.8

in terms of places to travel in Peru since she's been living there for quite some time,

1:21.7

and she's explored much of the country being based there and being a writer.

1:26.0

So that's how this one came to be.

1:29.0

And we're going to get into it right now.

1:31.7

So buckle up, strapping.

1:32.6

Thanks for being here.

1:33.3

And welcome to the Zero to Travel Podcast, my friend.

1:41.2

You're listening to the Zero to Travel podcast where we explore exciting travel-based work,

1:46.2

lifestyle, and business opportunities, helping you to achieve your wildest travel dreams.

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