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U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Perttu v. Richards

U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

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National, Government & Organizations

4.6640 Ratings

🗓️ 25 February 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

A case in which the Court will decide whether, in cases subject to the Prison Litigation Reform Act, prisoners have a right to a jury trial concerning their exhaustion of administrative remedies where disputed facts regarding exhaustion are intertwined with the underlying merits of their claim.

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0:00.0

We'll hear argument next in case 23, 1324, Pertou v. Richards.

0:05.4

Ms. Sherman.

0:06.3

Mr. Chief Justice, I may have pleased the Court,

0:09.1

exhaustion is a centerpiece of Congress's reforms under the Prison Litigation Reform Act.

0:14.4

Yet even with this invigorated exhaustion requirement,

0:18.0

prisoner lawsuits still account for an outsized share of filings in federal

0:21.6

district courts. A rule that requires a jury trial on intertwined exhaustion issue would increase

0:28.1

this burden while incentivizing non-exhaustion and undermining the goals and structure of the PLRA.

0:35.1

Respondent would have this court cast aside the PLRA's goals and structure merely because

0:39.8

exhaustion is an affirmative defense.

0:42.2

Focusing on this court's holding in Jones v. Spock, he contends that there's no principled

0:48.4

reason for treating PLRA exhaustion differently than other affirmative defenses that are

0:53.6

routinely sent to juries

0:55.0

when there are facts intertwined with the merits.

0:58.2

Jones does not stand for this broad proposition.

1:01.2

It held only that prisoners need not plead exhaustion.

1:05.4

And there is a principled reason for treating PLRA exhaustion differently than other

1:10.2

affirmative defenses. It is a mandatory

1:12.8

prerequisite to suit, so its intended benefits would be entirely undercut by merits

1:18.5

discovery and a trial before its resolution. PLRA exhaustion must be resolved by a judge at the

1:27.1

early stages of litigation.

1:29.4

Contrary to the Sixth Circuit, this does not run afoul of the Seventh Amendment, even when there are intertwined facts.

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