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U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Gutierrez v. Saenz

U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments

Oyez

National, Government & Organizations

4.6640 Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2025

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Summary

A case in which the Court will decide whether a Texas death-row inmate has standing to sue the state over its refusal to give him access to DNA testing pursuant to a law permitting DNA testing only when the person can prove that he would not have been convicted if the DNA testing produced exculpatory results.

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We will hear argument this morning in case 23708.09 Gutierrez v. Signs.

0:05.9

Ms. Fisher.

0:06.8

Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court, this Court recently held that Texas

0:12.3

prisoner Rodney Reed has standing to challenge certain procedures contained in the Texas

0:19.1

Post-Conviction Statute, known as Chapter 64,

0:22.5

because a declaratory judgment that those procedures were unconstitutional would redress

0:28.3

Mr. Reed's injury by eliminating the prosecutor's reliance on those same procedures as a reason

0:34.3

to deny testing. This Court should hold that Mr. Gutierrez has standing for the same reason.

0:41.3

The injury here is redressable because a declaratory judgment that finds certain procedures in Chapter 64

0:47.7

unconstitutional eliminates those statutory procedures as a lawful reason for respondents to forbid testing.

0:55.4

But even if this Court should apply a more searching inquiry, Mr. Gutierrez would still have

1:00.5

standing. It is important to remember that the declaratory judgment at issue here does more

1:06.6

than simply focus on the availability of DNA testing to show death ineligibility.

1:12.5

It recognizes the inherent conflict between the Chapter 64 statute and the habeas death

1:19.3

ineligibility statute, and it requires that the procedures for obtaining DNA testing

1:24.4

do not obstruct the right that Texas has given prisoners to seek habeas

1:29.1

relief based on newly developed evidence. The CCA has never considered what procedures

1:35.6

in Chapter 64 are necessary to cure the constitutional infirmity found by the district court.

1:42.5

Nor has it ever determined whether Mr. Gutierrez would be able to

1:46.3

access DNA evidence under a constitutional version of the statute. None of the reasons given

1:52.6

by respondents for denying access to the evidence are independent of the due process violation

1:58.7

found by the district court.

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