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Sources & Methods

'Persons of no interest:' embassy wives become spies in new thriller

Sources & Methods

NPR

Politics, News

4.9919 Ratings

🗓️ 10 February 2026

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Two American women -- living in Cold War-era Moscow, with husbands in the CIA -- suddenly become undercover agents themselves. That's the set-up for PONIES, a new spy thriller now available on Peacock. Mary Louise Kelly speaks with star Haley Lu Richardson and showrunner David Iserson about the show, the research behind it, and what makes a good spy. 

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0:00.0

This message comes from the Pulitzer finalist NHPR team.

0:04.2

Their new four-part series, Safe to Drink,

0:06.8

investigates one of the largest water contamination events in New Hampshire's history,

0:11.2

and the people who fought for answers.

0:13.3

Follow Safe to Drink wherever you're listening.

0:16.9

I mean, we're women. People only look at us if they want to fuck us or marry us, and that's it.

0:22.2

So nobody would ever think that two people like us would be spies.

0:27.6

What makes a good spy? Training, experience, being able to blend in easily, nerves of steel.

0:35.7

Of that list, the lead characters in the new peacock series,

0:39.0

ponies, possess just one, and actually that's debatable. As women working for the CIA, in Cold War

0:45.7

era Moscow, they are, as the station chief refers to them, persons of no interest. P-O-N-I,

0:54.6

ponies.

0:59.2

I'm Mary Louise Kelly, and this is Sources and Methods from NPR.

1:05.9

This episode is a little lighter than our usual fare.

1:06.7

Do not worry.

1:09.1

We'll be back with the heavy headlines on Thursday, and a heads-up that we will be in Munich for the annual security conference hosting the podcast from there.

1:14.8

Today, we're diving into the new TV series Pony's, which actually has a lot to say about the national security world.

1:21.6

Haley Lou Richardson stars alongside Amelia Clark. When we meet them, they are embassy wives.

1:28.5

Then their husbands, both CIA officers, are killed in the line of duty.

1:33.0

So the women persuade the CIA to take them on and send them back undercover to Moscow.

1:40.6

Haley Lou Richardson and Pony's showrunner, David Isterson, are here to talk about it.

1:45.5

Welcome you to sources and methods.

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