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Thinking LSAT

Personal Statement Pitfalls (Ep. 499)

Thinking LSAT

Nathan Fox and Ben Olson

Education

4.8868 Ratings

🗓️ 24 March 2025

⏱️ 115 minutes

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Summary

 Ben and Nathan kick off the return of Thinking LSAT’s personal statement review segment with a listener's personal statement that had potential. But the statement quickly strays into the weeds, and Ben and Nathan “ring the gong.” 

Then Ben and Nathan emphasize the importance of securing a full scholarship to minimize risk during a potential economic recession. They also reassure a listener that reapplying with a higher LSAT score won’t hurt her chances. Later, they offer advice on effective LSAT review strategies and discuss the value of LSAT skills beyond the test. Ben and Nathan caution against Seton Hall’s 3+3 program, and others like it.

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0:27 - The Risk of Law School Debt - Bobby shares a blog post highlighting the risks of taking on law school debt. Ben and Nathan discuss how law schools have evolved from para-professional training programs into elite “finishing schools” detached from the realities of legal practice. This shift has contributed to skyrocketing student debt. As economists warn of a potential recession, history suggests that the legal job market may suffer just as it did during the 2008 financial crisis. The guys reference a piece by Karen Sloan that paints a grim picture of recent law school graduate employment, potentially signaling tougher times ahead. Their advice? Avoid the risk—attend law school only if you secure a full-tuition scholarship.

28:52 - Reapplying Next Cycle - Alice originally applied to law schools with an LSAT score below the medians of her top choices. Following Demon’s advice, she retook the LSAT to improve her score before reapplying. Now, she worries that reapplying to schools that previously accepted her might hurt her chances of securing a scholarship. Nathan and Ben reassure her that law schools will treat her new application independently and that reapplying won’t be held against her. They commend her decision to wait a year to maximize her scholarship opportunities.

33:31 - How Do I Review? - Alanna feels like she’s spinning her wheels and isn’t sure how to review effectively. The guys remind her that most mistakes stem from simple misreading. True learning happens when concepts “click” because you’ve uncovered the logic you previously overlooked. They encourage her to focus on understanding the reasoning behind the correct answers rather than just memorizing explanations.

45:31 - Use Scholarships to Motivate Your Study - A student making solid progress on the LSAT expresses a loss in motivation. Ben and Nathan remind her that LSAT prep builds essential skills for a legal career—if she isn’t enjoying the process, she should seriously consider whether law is the right path. They also warn that while a 155 might be enough for admission, it’s unlikely to secure a scholarship. They suggest using the goal of a full-ride scholarship as motivation to keep improving her score.

51:04 - LSAT Skills Are Transferable - Departing Demon, James reflects on the invaluable skills he gained from studying for the LSAT.

52:43 - Personal Statement Segment - Ben and Nathan review Jeremiah’s personal statement. While his topic is compelling, they note that the statement quickly shifts away from the “personal” aspect, getting lost in the story's context.

1:04:43 - What’s the Deal With Seton Hall? - A student asks about Seton Hall’s 3+3 program, but Ben and Nathan caution against it, arguing that such programs lock students into paying full tuition before they can explore other law school options. They also criticize Seton Hall’s continued use of predatory conditional scholarships. However, they acknowledge that Seton Hall’s part-time program is a smart choice for students who want to work while attending law school.

1:52:34 - Word of the Week - “In that construct, the strong performance of the few can obfuscate the mediocrity of the many.”

Transcript

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0:00.0

All right, so we're bringing back the personal statement segment by popular demand.

0:06.2

This is exciting.

0:14.4

Hello and welcome to episode 499 of the Thinking Elsaat podcast.

0:19.4

I'm Ben Olson.

0:20.2

With me is Nathan Fox. We're the co-founders of

0:23.4

Elsaid Demon.com and the Elside Demon Daily podcast. Our first email here is from Gold Bug Bobby.

0:32.4

The subject is law school debt and the ghost of 2008. It says, hello, demon team.

0:38.7

As applications are up roughly 25% year over year, I wanted to share this article.

0:47.6

The main author of this blog makes Nathan, I guess that's me, look like he's pro-legal practice. In my opinion, the general tone of this blog

0:57.5

is too negative about the legal profession, but these perspectives are valuable. The global

1:03.3

financial crisis was a disaster that destroyed the rose-tinted view of the legal industry.

1:09.5

Most current law school applicants were likely

1:12.1

too young back then to understand how brutal the 2008 economy really was. Before someone takes on

1:18.5

$100,000 in debt, they need to consider how quickly the economy could implode in a recession.

1:24.1

Good luck having any student debt discharged. I think this should be required reading for every

1:29.7

prospective law student. If you can't stomach this reality, you shouldn't go to law school or,

1:34.5

God forbid, pay for law school. Praise the demon. Goldbug, Bobby. Yeah, so we're both looking at the

1:42.3

link that Bobby sent in.

1:45.7

And, yeah, I mean, the first thing that you notice about this blog is the terrible graphic at the top, which is like weirdly rendered.

1:55.4

I don't even have a name for what.

1:57.1

It's like maybe it was created in a different aspect ratio yes pixelated that's the

2:02.4

word that we're looking for but right off the bat looks like a that looks quite amateurish

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