Hey, everyone. We should know this conversation was originally recorded last year.

I'm on vacation at the moment. So we are republishing one of my absolute favorite

combos with the Grammy Award-winning musician, Ani DeFranco. Since this

conversation, Ani is back on the road again with her concert tour. So be sure to

check that out. Hope you enjoyed as much as I did.

Even when you're not in your zone, when you're struggling with something, but if

you're totally open and cool with that, if you accept that struggle, like if you

can show it and you can include the audience in what you're struggling against

and your own process. When I'm on stage and it's pouring rain and the wind is

whipping my hair down my throat and the sound is terrible and I'm being

electrocuted if I'm just in that thing and sharing it fully with the audience,

they could get off on even that.

Hello and welcome to Wise is happening with me, your host, Chris A's.

All right, a special treat today, very, very personal introduction. All right,

ready for this? I have spoken on the show before about Kate, my wife, life partner,

loved my life. She's amazing. I'm a million different ways. She's been on with

Pod twice. Kate and I met freshman year of college and when I met Kate, she had a

shaved head and she was really kind of intimidating intellectually because

she's super brilliant and had really awesome and radical politics and was in a

period of life where she was like reading a lot of feminist theory that she

was sort of sharing with me. And as one does, one one is in love with

person and early love, particularly there's a lot of music swapping. I was

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