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Deadline: White House

“Perfidy”

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

Politics, News, Ms Now, Msnbc, Daily News, The White House, Nicolle Wallace, Versant, Washington Dc, Government

4.56.4K Ratings

🗓️ 13 January 2026

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Nicolle Wallace on the New York Times reporting that the U.S. attacked a boat with an aircraft disguised as a civilian plane. This is an example of committing ‘perfidy,’ which is prohibited in the Department of Defense Law of War manual.

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0:00.0

But what I saw in that room was one of the most troubling things I've seen in my time in public service.

0:10.0

You have two individuals in clear distress without any means of locomotion with a destroyed vessel

0:20.0

who were killed by the United States.

0:25.6

Was Congressman Jim Himes on December 4th after viewing classified briefing about the second strike

0:32.5

in the Caribbean? Hi again, everybody. It's now 5 o'clock in New York. You do not have to be an

0:37.2

expert in warfare. You don't have to be an expert in warfare.

0:38.3

You don't need to have any sort of encyclopedic knowledge of the Geneva Conventions

0:43.3

or the laws of armed conflict or the history of the rules of engagement.

0:46.3

You don't even need to have heard of the word perfidy before today to grasp the rank moral

0:53.3

depravity, how far from normal we are. And what is at the center

0:58.9

of what may very well turn out to be a war crime perpetrated by Donald Trump's Department of Defense.

1:04.5

It is the subject of some extraordinary new journalism, some groundbreaking new reporting in the New York

1:09.7

Times that shines a light on

1:12.9

the first of what would be dozens of deadly military strikes on boats alleged to be smuggling

1:18.1

drugs in the Caribbean. We are back at that September 2nd operation. It's in question again,

1:24.1

video of which you just heard Congressman Jim Himes describe as, quote, one of the most

1:29.3

troubling things he'd seen in his time in public service. It was already the subject of scrutiny

1:34.4

having to do with that second strike that killed two survivors floating amid the wreckage.

1:40.1

And now this. The New York Times, citing officials briefed on the matter, reveals this,

1:44.3

that the Pentagon used a secret aircraft, painted to look like a civilian plane,

1:49.5

its munitions carried inside the fuselage rather than visibly under its wings, and that's a big deal.

1:56.1

Such deadly deceit goes back millennia and is prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. In the same way it is

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