Yeah, because I think the idea with perfectionism is like it's sort of the underlying process almost where it can show up in some way in different ways like the person who procrast needs that never get to anything done that could be perfectionism or the person who's like a hyper overachiever and it's like how do they get everything done that person could also be struggling with perfectionism and you could show up as like

social anxiety or depression so the form varies a lot.

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In this show we focus on minimalism with kids, positive parenting, family wellness, and decreasing the

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Today we're talking all about perfectionism.

My guest today and the voice you heard in the intro is Clarissa Ong.

Clarissa is a professor at the University of Toledo.

She's a psychologist and a researcher who specializes in perfectionism. Clarissa and her co-author Michael Two-Higg wrote the book

entitled The Anxious Perfectionist How to Manage Perfectionism Driven Anxiety

Using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. perfectionism driven anxiety using acceptance and commitment therapy.

Perfectionism is a topic that comes up all the time in my work with kids

and in my work with parents. As most of us know, the two are very much intertwined.

So I had a lot of questions for Clarissa on this topic.

In this episode, we are going to dive deeper into understanding perfectionism.

Sometimes perfectionism can be adaptive and sometimes

it can be maladaptive. Clerse and I discuss the need to emphasize process over product or outcome. So trying to emphasize less how

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