Thanks for listening to Politics by Faith. This is part two of our special called Perception

versus Reality. We just did our opening and then Tom Askell was here helping us run through

the book of Ecclesiastes. Let's go right now to Michael Clary helping us understand

discernment. What is discernment in a biblical way? A biblical sense. And then we'll wrap up with our finale, where we talk about Hebrews 10 and Matthew 7.

Enjoy.

Welcome back to our special perception verse reality.

Let's go to our friend Pastor Michael Clary. He's the lead pastor at Christ the King Church in Fort Thomas, Kentucky, and author of the book,

God's Good Design, a biblical, theological, and practical guide to human sexuality.

Extremely important book right there. Pastor, how do you do, sir?

I'm doing well. How are you today?

Great to talk to.

I'm going to forward everyone to your article.

Christian, you got played again on meme videos and emotional manipulation.

We can talk about the specific, like what inspired you to write it.

Maybe that'll come out here, but a bigger picture first. What is discernment?

Great question. Discernment is the trained ability to see spiritually, usually things that are beyond what your five senses can perceive.

So if you see things, you see a car driving down the street,

you just see it.

But if you see somebody driving erratically,

you might discern, that might be a drunk driver.

That might be some danger there.

And so discernment is seeing something a little beyond

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