You're talking about IGF1 and growth hormone.

I think it, I'm curious to your thoughts on, you know, on peptides, you know.

So right now there's a huge surge in the number of people that are interested in peptides

because it sounds not as perhaps scary to them as it does hormone augmentation.

Again, and I, I really, you know,

I don't think that people should run out and start tinkering with their endocrinology. I mean,

you need to work with a physician if you're going to do that at all. And ideally it's because

there's a real clinical need. But peptides are interesting because there are a couple

issues that come to mind. One is, so I've seen examples of

people who take things like sermoralin, test some more and Ipermoralin in order to get some

more growth hormone release in sleep and end up with doubling or even tripling of their

prostate specific antigen. Have you heard about this? Is that the sap?

Yeah, I heard it from you specifically, and I remember I probably wrote it on like a topic

list to dive into more, but I don't know what would cause that specifically, although I do

know the function by which a lot of these peptides work is through agonism of the

grelin receptor, which has

interactions, significant interactions with stress as well. So it's not just about, I think a lot of

people, they think you take this peptide and all of a sudden your pituitary just like spits out

more GH or something. But in reality, it's stimulating a receptor that is designed to make you hungry.

And in rodents, it's actually something they chronically agonized to induce PTSD, which is like kind of sketchy when you think

about, I'm not saying you shouldn't use peptides, by the way, but in general, like some of them,

like the, the ones that are more chronic around the clock and aren't like pulsatile in nature,

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