What can we learn about leadership and discipleship from the executive vice president of

Toyota North America, my new friend Jack Hollis? What does he learn from Jesus for leading others and what are the unique challenges Christians face today in the business world?

I'm your host Sean McDow and these are a few of the questions we're going to discuss today on the Think Bivocally

podcast brought to by Talbot School Theology Biola University.

Jack since the moment we met about two months ago in the Philippines I've been

thinking our folks at Biola and beyond have to hear

from you.

So amidst all the stuff you're doing, thanks for carbon out the time to join me.

You are so welcome and I'm happy to be with you and just as a reminder we didn't talk about it too much but I have family and history of Biola and

the place and the Talbot and just love the opportunity beyond with you and your team.

Well, this is a treat. I'm going to jump right in because there are so many things you said that

have stayed with me and really influenced me, Jack, and one of the things you said on stage and this is at a huge church in the

Philippines there's 8,000 or 12,000 people there on site you said you work

for Jesus but get paid by Toyota. You had me at that line but tell me what you mean by that

You know it's actually come up over a bit time, and I always have a little careful how I use it.

Sure. Because I don't want people thinking that I don't work for Toyota because clearly what I do for Toyota matters and people matter and profits matter.

But what it really means is that my focus is on the kingdom of what I'm doing in my workplace.

And ultimately my heart is I feel like every day, the person who put me in the job I'm currently in is God now he works through my bosses and all in the company

But if I really am living or giving my life to Christ. I have to go with wherever he puts me and so I look at it as every day I work for him. I just get paid by Twitter and it's kind of been a funny thing but what it actually means is that I'm living for his kingdom and I want to do kingdom business leadership.

I want to lead in a biblical way.

And it just fits in that sentence and I kind of enjoyed it in the responses I give

folks. Well we're going to get into what that means to lead biblically in your

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