My name is Dan Koch. Like many of you, I've been on a complicated faith journey for a number of years now.

And while I tend to find myself on the progressive side of Christianity, my goal is not to make liberal converts.

I want this show to be a resource for Christians to my right and to my left, as well as

former Christians and non-religious folks, anyone who finds themselves asking difficult questions

about God, science, prayer, fate, suffering, evangelism, and more. So many of us have been given bad answers to those good questions, often by people with

pure intentions.

I want to say that you have permission to take both Christianity and the modern world very

seriously.

And I hope to facilitate that by introducing you to people seeking God across

the Christian spectrum, engaging hard questions in a multitude of ways. Thanks for listening.

Today's episode is another one of these that is generously funded by UC Berkeley's Greater Good Science Center intellectual humility grant.

Sarie and I have been participating in this.

This is our fifth episode, sort of focused around this topic.

Siri, it has been a while since we started these.

You've been on Mike kind of sporadically on some episodes. Why don't you

just briefly reintroduce yourself and then we'll get into our episode today with Dr. Steve Sandage.

Yes, it's fun. We're right at the end of our, this co-leading this grant project. It was really

fun to be awarded and be part of this really special group. And we're actually going to go to an event next month together to meet some of these people, which is really cool.

We're going to go to Berkeley, get infected by leftists.

It's going to be, you know, but who doesn't love to be awarded?

Let's just be honest.

I mean, I'll take an award.

...