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Hello, and welcome to The Origins Podcast. Hello, and welcome to the Origins Podcast.

I'm your host, Lawrence Krause.

In this episode, I'll talk to my good friend, Penn Gillette, the famous magician, writer, comedian, atheist, and filmmaker.

What you may not know about Penn is that he actually reads more widely and thoughtfully

than almost anyone I've ever met.

And it's also one of the most rigorously ethical people I know.

I wanted this opportunity to have a personal conversation with Penn about a wide range of issues,

from science and politics to freedom and liberty,

as well as free speech.

And I also wanted to talk to him about magic, humor, and honesty in performing.

And I was able to surprise him with a little sleight of hand on my own.

Patreon subscribers can find the full video of this program at patreon.com slash origins podcast.

I hope you enjoy this brash, quick, personal, and enlightening conversation with one of my

favorite people, Penn Gillette. Thanks for being here.

Well, thank you for having me.

It's something I've been looking forward to.

I've always wanted to have on this program an omnivorous intellect.

And the definition of the word intellectual, people may not realize, but in my opinion,

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