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So, no, I was just saying, Penn, that, you know, when you're talking to somebody in life we have

these long great conversations in person in real life but when there's a

microphone on it somehow allows, I think, even a slightly, well a slightly

different angle of attack.

It does.

It allows you to actually talk to somebody, which is very rare when you're supposed to be doing something else.

You're supposed to be doing something else.

You're supposed to be like eating or having coffee or walking or accomplishing something.

I think it's possible I only do podcasts to be able to talk to people.

No, me too.

I've thought a lot about why I still do this.

And I mean, I think reason one is like the letters, which I'm sure you get the

letters I get from from people who, oh this goes back to something years ago, but from people who've decided they're going to keep trying some

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