from WNYC studios. I'm Brian Lehrer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Thursday,

December 18th. Susan Page is back with us, Washington Bureau Chief for USA Today,

and author of books about important women in politics

and media, including Barbara Bush, Barbara Walters, her forthcoming one next year about Queen Elizabeth,

and relevant to some of what we'll discuss right now, her book, Madam Speaker, Nancy Pelosi,

and the Lessons of Power. Pelosi, as you may know, has announced that she will not run for

re-election next year. And this week, Susan sat down with the former Speaker of the House for

kind of an exit interview. Here's a clip in which Susan asks about Zeran Mamdani and winds up hearing

how Pelosi thinks the Democrats can win the presidency back in 2028. I don't think anybody is any mayor is the new

face. I mean, we have a great mayor in San Francisco, but, and he's wonderful and he's doing a great

job. I wish the mayor's success. I want mirrors to succeed coming from the mayor's family,

where I lived my whole life when my father was mayor but and my brother was

mayor but I don't think you define who the face of the party is that has to emerge from the

party and here's the thing and count on this in oath five we said in the first year we're president's numbers, President Bush was 58% in January,

38% in September, because he gave us a gift.

He was going to privatize Social Security.

And now we know when we win the House next year is our path to the White House and we have a big bench some women on it

maybe more women will join that bench and we have a democratic Congress to talk about the issues

in a way that the press will cover there press doesn't really cover so much in the house

Democrats in the House because we don't have power.

When you have power, it's a different story.

We won't be able to get his signature on things maybe,

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