Pella Thiel: "Criminalizing Ecocide: The Rights of Nature"
The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens
Nate Hagens
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🗓️ 1 May 2024
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Summary
On this episode, Nate is joined by maverick ecologist Pella Thiel to discuss the legal frameworks behind the Ecocide and Rights of Nature Movements. Our current economic and legal systems have no mechanisms to consider nature in our decision making - much less to make systemic planetary stability a priority. Could redefining the destruction of our biosphere to be considered a crime parallel with that of genocide alter the way we structure laws governing our societies and economies? How are countries legislating and enforcing these ideas - even going so far as to act against the flow of the superorganism? Most importantly, how could top-down legal ideas such as these interact with bottom-up individual action to create powerful shifts in cultural values and motivations?
About Pella Thiel:
Pella Thiel is a maverick ecologist, part-time farmer, full-time activist and teacher in ecopsychology. She is the co-founder of Swedish hubs of international networks like Swedish Transition Network and End Ecocide Sweden and a knowledge expert in the UN Harmony with Nature programme. Pella was awarded the Swedish Martin Luther King Award in 2023 and the Environmental Hero of the year 2019.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to the Great Simplification. |
| 0:04.6 | I'm Nate Higgins. |
| 0:06.3 | On this show, we describe how energy, the economy, the environment, and human behavior all fit together and what it might mean for our future. |
| 0:15.2 | By sharing insights from global thinkers, we hope to inform and inspire more humans to play emergent roles in the |
| 0:22.7 | coming great simplification. |
| 0:27.4 | Today's guest is my friend Pella Teal, who lives in Sweden. |
| 0:32.5 | She previously was on this podcast on a reality roundtable on local food systems. |
| 0:44.3 | Pella is a maverick ecologist, part-time farmer, full-time activists, and teacher in ecopsychology. She is also the co-founder of Swedish hubs of international networks like Swedish Transition Network and End Ecoside, Sweden, as well as a knowledge expert in the United Nations |
| 0:56.0 | Harmony and Nature Program. |
| 0:58.0 | Today we talk about Ecoside as a global legal framework, as well as the rights of nature and other legal |
| 1:06.0 | strategies to defend the ecosphere and the denizens therein. |
| 1:12.2 | Please welcome Pellatil. |
| 1:19.8 | Palatil, good moran. |
| 1:23.3 | Good after-middag. |
| 1:25.4 | After-midag for you. Yes. I guess. After-midog for you. |
| 1:27.9 | Yes. |
| 1:28.2 | I have Sweden highlighted on my globe for you. |
| 1:31.8 | Oh. |
| 1:33.2 | Thank you. |
| 1:34.5 | So, welcome back. |
| 1:36.3 | You were on a roundtable with Dugald Hein and Chris Smage on local food systems. |
| 1:43.9 | And I know you're the founder of Transition Town, Sweden, or one of the co-founders. |
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