This is philosophy versus improv, where two sages try to teach each other a thing or two,

and maybe you, the audience, gets something out of it as well.

I am Mary Hines, bringing the improvisational prowess, and I'm joined by my fabulous co-host.

This is Mark Linson-Myer, supposedly bringing some philosophical thinking to the

day, and we are joined by a very special guest. Jerome Curtinbach. I am a writer, composer,

director, and coming to participate in this lovely podcast. Well, thank you for doing that. So, Mary

contacted you because we haven't actually talked about musical improv

on this show. Whether we could actually do any musical improv, we certainly can't do it in the

way that you're used to doing it because you're like, you don't just sing and improv versus. This is

not improvised Shakespeare, right? You actually do improvised musical complement to other people

improvving. Usually, yeah.

And what's challenging in rooms like this on Zoom or any virtual stage is the sinking of things.

A lot of people fall out of sync. So it kind of has evolved more into either just singing without

any accompaniment or a lot of people preparing

the pre-filmed content to make that happen. So it's no longer very much improv. But musical

improv online can be a challenge because of that one factor alone. So it's possible, just not

easy. Mary, what have you done in this area?

I know you sing, but are the two areas coordinated?

Yeah, so I'm a trained singer, and I've actually done a good bit of musical improv,

and I've worked with Jerome a lot over the last couple years when the second city, you know, when the pandemic

happened and we were all squirled away in our, you know, your sister's basement or like your

mom's guest room, et cetera. And that's where I met Jerome and we did a lot of virtual

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