This is pretty much pop, a culture podcast giving you an unscripted glimpse into our lives an hour at a time week after week until enough data has been collected to put us all in prison.

Today we're discussing reality TV and in particular the come look at my life type of reality TV made famous by the Kardashians and the

Osbournes and most recently brought to our attention via the Baldwin's

about Alec Baldwin's family life as he awaited his recent manslaughter trial.

I'm Mark Linsomeyer and even though I've spent thousands of hours in the public ear

I've never before revealed my real voice.

My name's Al Baker, and I can't think of a better way to air my laundry than on an international TV show.

I'm Sarah Lynn Brooke, and Alec was not the Baldwin brother. I would have bet would have done a reality show for TLC.

Good point. This is Lawrence. We're coming to you from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. And I'm barely keeping myself together after what Mark just did.

Our special guest, Kayla, introduce herself. Hi, I'm Kayla Joyce. I am a writer and brand new mom who is sleep deprived and living off of reality TV right now to have some semblance of normalcy.

And we had connected for the disability representation episode we did a long time ago. And then you came back for Sarah's first appearance on soap operas. And this was another one where like soap operas,

which, you know, I was not the target audience for and felt I needed to get the two of you to come and help me out with this.

Though this was proposed and we thought this was probably like newsworthy and as a big thing in the world of entertainment.

We are not generally the target audience.

And Kayla, I thought based on the soap opera discussion, based on what we discussed about

maybe doing a Royals episode at some point that you seem to know about, that you might have

a little more experience with this than we do.

Why don't you give a little your priors before

we go around? Yeah, a little bit. I mean, middle class white ladies, so target audience for trashy TV,

just off of that. Yeah, so I have a writing background. I have a master's degree in screenwriting

and writing for stage. So I do a lot of analysis. I have worked to the emergency room for quite many, many years. So mindless things to numb the pain after all that. Very common TV connoisseur and quite interested in the celebrity version. I've lived in the UK. I've lived in the U.S. and the juxtaposition of how celebrities are in the UK versus US, I think is really fascinating. And so

happy to be here. Welcome. Welcome. Thank you. Al, do you have, as a UK resident? So I'm really

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