You're listening to Nicodely Exammed Music, a podcast about songs and songwriters.

My name is Mark Linton-Mire.

My guest for episode 196 is Michael Jira, best known for his 15 or so albums as Swan's,

and she started in the early 80s, but he's also put out some albums under his own name

and as the body lovers and for nearly a decade as Angels of Light.

You're right now listening to Screen Shot by the Swans from To Be Kind 2014.

We're going to discuss, Michael is done a song from their brand new album The Beggar,

and look back to the last album leaving meaning from 2019 to the song It's Coming It's Real.

And then all the way back to the very first release, Filth from 1983, the song is Power for Power.

If you've noticed the long running time for this episode, it's not because we talk for so long,

it's because the song that we're going to leave you with at the end called The Beggar Lover

and then in parentheses 3 takes up most of the second disc of this two disc set

at nearly 44 minutes by itself.

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I will start off by playing a little bit of Screen Shot from To Be Kind 2014

just because that's your most popular song, you know, over 4 million views or something like that,

at least according to Spotify, did you have any idea? Is there anything special about that?

I got $6.50 for that.

It seems nice besides being good intro music, it seems pretty representative.

Even though we're looking at a decade old now, but of your modern style,

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