Peace talks deadlock – Can Putin stare Trump down?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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🗓️ 20 March 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Despite a supposed “pause” in attacks on Ukrainian energy infrastructure, Russian airstrikes against Ukraine continue. Meanwhile Trump’s much-touted call with Putin showed no evidence of moving negotiations forward. Is a genuine ceasefire possible or is Putin displaying his ability to manipulate events yet again? Sam Greene, professor of Russian politics at King’s College London and director of democratic resilience at the Centre for European Policy Analysis, talks to Gavin Esler about the peace negotiations, the Trump/Putin dynamic and what could happen next. • This episode of This Is Not A Drill is supported by Incogni, the service that keeps your private information safe, protects you from identity theft and keeps your data from being sold. There’s a special offer for This Is Not A Drill listeners – go to Incogni.com/notadrill to get an exclusive 60% off your annual plan. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Advertising helps fund our podcasts, but we know some people would prefer the shows without adverts.
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0:12.3	and you'll be helping independent podcasting to thrive. Follow the link in the show notes to find out more.
0:23.4	Ukraine has a plan for peace.
0:25.8	After his call with Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin appears to have other plans.
0:30.7	On past performance, Donald Trump's book The Art of the Deal may not easily extend to the art of diplomacy.
0:37.2	He began his second term,
0:38.3	boasting that he could in some way bring peace to Ukraine in a day beginning with a ceasefire.
0:43.7	The response from Vladimir Putin appears to be, thank you, Mr. Trump, but here are our extensive
0:48.4	conditions for Ukraine, in effect, to surrender to our demands for territory and disarmament.
0:56.5	So where does that leave the road to peace now?
0:58.5	What does Vladimir Putin really want?
1:03.7	And is it possible to understand how far ordinary Russians support the war and support Putin?
1:07.4	We'll get an expert view on those questions of war and peace and Russia.
1:36.9	I'm Gavin Esler, and this is not a drill. I'm joined now by Sam Green, Professor of Russian Politics at King's College London and the Director for Democratic Resilience at the Centre for European Policy Analysis.
1:42.5	Sam, can we begin with where you think we are now, bearing in
1:45.8	mind that in a few minutes it could all change? Yeah, I mean, in a lot of ways, we are exactly
1:53.3	where we have been for quite some time. Anybody who thought that this was going to be easy,
1:58.2	including, you know, maybe among those in Trump's orbit who
2:02.0	actually thought they would be able to achieve something, I think is quickly coming to realize
2:06.2	that, you know, this is a far from simple conflict to resolve. I think that the proposition that
2:13.4	some have started with in trying to reach a ceasefire and some kind of a solution is based
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