Are we yes? Where are we here? Why are we here not entirely clear? We are misfits

thrust into existence by random chance with no hints at all as to how we're supposed

to make sense of it all. It's immensely bizarre. Here we are.

Hello everybody and welcome to the Here We Are podcast. I'm Shane Moss. Today we are

talking with author of the book, deescalate, how to calm an angry person in 90 seconds or less.

Douglas Null is joining me today. Do you prefer Doug or Douglas? Doug is fine.

Okay. Should I ask that ahead of time? How are you doing today, Doug?

I'm doing great. I just got off my tractor broke, busted off my three-point while I'm

moving dirt. So I'm doing good. Where are you on California again? I live in rural

California about 60 miles plus or minus south of Yosemite National Park and about 40 miles west

of King's Sequoia National Parks and the Central Sea or Nevada. Nice. Beautiful places in the

world. All right. Getting on tractors and doing things. That sounds incredible. What is your

background? I am a lawyer turned to peacemaker. Probably haven't heard of that before. I was a

trial over 22 years and then through a series of events that we may or may not want to talk about.

I went back to school in my 40s and earned my master's degree in peacemaking and conflict studies

and left the practice of law in 2000 to become a mediator and a peacemaker and that's my academic

published for books. I've got a bunch of scholarly articles. I teach graduate school at

Piperdon University at the Strauss Institute of Dispute Resolution. I've been a law professor

and my biggest challenge after leaving the practice of law was figuring out what to do with

really angry people. Interesting. Because I was getting caught. I was getting paid big bucks and

called into these really difficult conflicts. Often ideological, identity-based and people

were episted each other. None of the stuff that I had learned or have read about worked. What

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