Just a heads up, this episode contains some strong language.

I'm Shireen Marisol Miraji and this is Code Switch from NPR.

So we started Black History Month discussing reparations and we are ending it with reparations.

A conversation I had with two people.

The first, let's see, you may know her as living singles Maxine Shaw or perhaps get out

to Detective Latoya, maybe the Rizza's mom on Wu Tang and American saga or by her real name.

Erica Alexander, sometime I call myself Erica Alexander the Great but I'm Erica Alexander.

I am a writer and actress and a producer and a filmmaker and I'm also co-host of reparations, the Big Payback.

Hello, I'm Whitney Dow. I'm a documentary filmmaker and I'm the co-host with Erica Alexander or has some people call her Erica Alexander the Great

of the podcast reparations, the Big Payback.

But do you call her that Whitney?

It depends on the glycerine.

So Erica, give me the elevator pitch.

That's actually a very hard thing to do. I would say that, okay, here it is.

Okay.

The Big Payback is a podcast about two people, one black woman, me and Whitney Dow, a white man, talking about race and slavery and America inside the conversation of reparations.

And reparations is the making of a men's for a wronged one has done by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.

I thought that was fantastic.

Off the dome, Whitney, is there anything you'd like to add to that?

No, I just, I try not to follow Erica Alexander.

The Great.

When she's doing elevator pitches.

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