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investment and you should not expect to be protected if something goes wrong Telegram is one of the fastest growing and biggest social messaging apps,

text apps in the world, popular all around the world, including in the United States,

but almost nothing or very little seems to be known about the company.

It's headquartered in Dubai where we are now.

It is run and owned and the software is designed, written by Pavel Jorov, who began it some years ago, who almost never does interviews.

It turns out he's in a very interesting person, extremely interesting person.

We learned that the other day we'll talk into him and he has agreed to sit down and tell us about himself and his company and we thought it'd be definitely worth hearing. And with that, Pablo, thank you for joining us.

Well, thank you for having me. So, I confess I used telegram.

I didn't know anything about you or the company and I was just kind of amazed by your story.

And if you wouldn't mind just recreating it a little bit for our audience, where are you from?

How did you start this and why?

That will be a long story.

That's okay.

I was born in 1984 in the Soviet Union, so it was a fun year to be born and back then I could

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