It's time for the Michelle Tofoya podcast.

So Paulus Gantlin has joined a slow but surely growing number of women who are speaking out to save women's sports.

To say, look, women's sports are for biological women, not biological men who

become or who transition and are trans women. There is a difference. It's chromosomal. It's in the

DNA, et cetera. Paula Scanlon swam on the Penn swim team with Leah Thomas. She's going to tell us

the entire story from when she found out

that this was going to happen, that she was welcoming a teammate of another biological sex and

how it went from there and why she's now decided to join this chorus of voices to try to save

women's sports. It's as simple as that.

Paula Scanlon, welcome. I'm so glad to talk to you. You have only recently started

sharing your experience at Penn, swimming with Leah Thomas. And I'm just wondering what

finally made you decide, and I know you've been asked this a lot, but for our

listeners who may not know your story, what made you decide to start talking? Yeah, so a lot of it

was in the last year. I really thought being removed from the situation would help me kind of

spread, like, keep my distance from it and say, oh, I don't really care anymore. But in a year

between graduating and coming forward, I don't really care anymore. But in a year between graduating

and coming forward, I saw this continue to happen to other girls. I saw this happening not just

in sports, but in women's prisons, in women's domestic violence shelters, and a lot of places.

And then I kind of said to myself, if I have this opinion that's so strong, but I'm not willing

to speak about it,

then why is it worth even having that opinion? And in that like period of self-reflection,

I realized that I feel so strongly about this means that I do need to speak about it.

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