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Welcome to The Two of the Contrary Podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes. All of you remember this summer when Congress voted to pull $1.1 billion from public broadcasting, raising alarms not just for PBS and for NPR, but for the 330 PBS affiliates and the 249 NPR affiliates.

And then, of course, came the news that the Corporation for Public Broadcasting was disbanding.

So what's going on? Where do we go? How did this happen?

We are very fortunate to be joined by Pollack Kerger, who is the president and CEO of PBS,

has been there for 19 years, the longest serving CEO that PBS has ever had. So welcome to the

podcast, Paula. I really appreciate your time. So I guess the first question I have to ask you,

is do you ever think that you'd be in this position right now heading public broadcasting at a time when the president and the Congress has stripped you of all public funding?

No, I actually never thought we would get to this place. I've been in public broadcasting for a long time. So I've been in this job, as you pointed out, 19 years,

but I spent 13 years before that at WNET. So I was around, and that's our public station in New York.

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