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Well, hello there, bookcasers. I'm Charlie Gibson. You kind of sneaked up on us. But it's nice to have you listening this week.

Yes, hello, all you sneaky, sneaky listeners. It is Kate Gibson, the other half of the bookcase team, and we welcome you.

We do indeed. And we have Paula Hawkins with us this week.

She sort of burst on the scene, I think, 10 years ago with a book that everybody read.

It was on the New York Times bestseller list, I think, for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks.

It was the girl on the train, which was a wonderfully intriguing mystery.

And I think she writes mysteries of a different kind. There's a sort of slow build to her mysteries. She doesn't, she doesn't hit you over the head with anything

else. It just, it just kind of, well, there's a sense of dread that develops in you. It,

it slowly develops. Well, I think it's interesting. First of all,

I'm really excited to be talking to Paula Hawkins this week. We got her book because they asked

me to speak to her at a live event. And I got, this was a sort of rare exception. Normally, I

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