Paul Vanderklay: Why Sam Harris Is Wrong About Meaning and God

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

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🗓️ 24 August 2020

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Paul Vanderklay, a minister in the Christian Reformed Church, joins Curt Jaimungal to examine how Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, Jonathan Pageau, and Sam Harris shape a “new Christianity.” They debate the nature of Christian belief, the role of God, and the intersection of religion with secularism and the state.- 0:00:00 - Introduction to Paul Vanderklay- 0:02:55 - Pros and cons of Peterson, Vervaeke, and Pageau approaches- 0:08:10 - How Christian is the “new Christianity” put forward by Peterson and Jung- 0:10:04 - Is this the same old debate referenced by Dostoevsky and Nietzsche?- 0:13:15 - Solzhenitsyn and the new definition of “religion”- 0:16:32 - What makes someone a Christian?- 0:20:42 - What is God? (thoughts on the Sam Harris / Peterson debate)- 0:24:24 - Why deriding God by analogizing him to “Zeus” is incorrect- 0:27:30 - Relationship between Christianity, Secularism, and the State- 0:34:16 - Can you rationally prove God’s existence?- 0:44:40 - Is Sam Harris a Christian?- 0:47:47 - How “religion without religion” makes sense- 0:53:19 - Does freedom just mean “more choice”?SPONSORS:- Curt Jaimungal Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Curt Jaimungal Twitter: https://twitter.com/bluthefilmRESOURCES:- PAUL VANDERKLAY YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGsDIP_K6J6VSTqlq-9IPlg- PAUL VANDERKLAY Twitter: https://twitter.com/PaulVanderKlay- JOHN VERVAEKE YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/johnvervaeke- JONATHAN PAGEAU YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtCTSf3UwRU14nYWr_xm-dQ- JONATHAN PAGEAU Twitter: https://twitter.com/PageauJonathan Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	What do you got there?
0:02.3	After I made my first video, someone comes into my church that next Sunday, says to me,
0:09.4	I've never been to church before in my life and gives me that poster.
0:15.6	Dr. Peterson, sort yourself out syrup, a reliable remedy for ontological crisis, existential dread,
0:24.1	bloody postmodernism, cultural Marxism, identity politics, and moral relativism.
0:34.5	Why don't you tell the audience who you are a little bit about yourself, as well as what your
0:38.7	YouTube channel is about? I am a minister in the Christian Reformed Church of North America,
0:45.2	which is a Dutch reform denomination. I pastor a church in Sacramento, California. About two and a half
0:51.2	years ago, I was quite fascinated with the work of Dr. Jordan Peterson,
0:56.3	and I noticed he was doing a biblical series.
1:00.5	There are a lot of aspects of his work that really fascinated me,
1:04.2	and I was also thinking about communication and the medium of YouTube,
1:10.7	and so I decided to make a couple of videos about him.
1:15.3	And people started watching my videos, which surprised me. So a couple of different things happened.
1:22.0	One was I kept making videos where I would basically think out loud about Jordan Peterson's work and then
1:30.6	John Verveke's work and Jonathan Pajos work and the work of the IDW and other people online
1:36.5	and especially how it intersects with Christianity and people kept watching those videos and
1:42.3	wanting conversations. And so I started having conversations with people kept watching those videos and wanting conversations.
1:49.6	And so I started having conversations with people online, and those conversations would get repetitive.
1:50.0	So I started asking people if I could record them and post them, and I did.
1:54.8	So that led to a local meetup of people interested in Jordan Peterson. And that led to creation of other
2:05.5	meetups in California and around the United States and hopefully Canada. And that led to the
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