Paul Paz y Miño and Steven Donziger from Rainforests to Courtrooms

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🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Two leading voices in the fight for environmental and human rights justice are Steven Donziger and Paul Paz y Miño. Steven Donziger is an attorney and activist known for his decades-long legal battle against Chevron on behalf of Indigenous peoples and rural communities in the Ecuadorian Amazon. His work has drawn international attention to issues of corporate accountability, climate justice, and the criminalization of human rights defenders. Paul Paz y Miño is the Associate Director of Amazon Watch, a nonprofit organization dedicated to protecting the rainforest and advancing the rights of Indigenous peoples in the Amazon. For over 20 years, he has worked to build international solidarity, expose corporate abuses, and amplify the voices of frontline communities resisting environmental destruction. Together, Donziger and Paz y Miño discuss their work for environmental justice, the ongoing struggles of affected communities, and the broader fight to hold corporations accountable for human rights and ecological harms.

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0:00.0	This is an IHeart podcast.
0:06.4	This is Alec Baldwin, and you're listening to Here's the Thing from IHeart Radio.
0:13.1	My guest today are two of the leading voices in the fight for environmental justice,
0:18.9	advocacy for indigenous communities, and the protection of their
0:22.6	homeland. Paul Pasamino is a human rights and environmental justice advocate, is also the
0:29.2	deputy director of Amazon Watch, a non-profit organization that works to protect the Amazon rainforest
0:35.9	and support indigenous peoples in South America.
0:40.5	Pasamino has also worked for Amnesty International and directed human rights programs for indigenous
0:46.7	communities in Mexico and Guatemala. Pasamino joined Amazon Watch in 2007 to oversee its Cleanup Ecuador campaign.
0:57.0	It was during this cleanup campaign that he met Steven Donziger, a human rights and environmental lawyer,
1:04.0	who has famously been fighting the Chevron case for over 30 years.
1:09.0	Hi, I'm Steven Donziger. Hi, I'm Stephen Donziger.
1:11.7	Hi, I'm Paul Pasimino.
1:14.1	We met in 2007 when I began working at Amazon Watch as the, I think, managing director at the time.
1:22.9	And one of the campaigns I was overseeing was the Clean Up Ecuador campaign.
1:27.4	Stephen came into our offices in San Francisco and shook my hand and said,
1:32.4	it's really great to meet you.
1:33.9	You're joining at a great time.
1:35.6	This case is just about to be wrapped up.
1:38.2	And we're going to win.
1:39.8	Famous last words, right?
1:41.1	Famous last words.
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