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The Brian Lehrer Show

Paul Krugman on Tariffs

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

Politics, News, News Commentary, Wnyc, Radio, Npr, Arts, New, Lerer, Media, Bryan, Nyc, Daily News, York, Public

4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 March 2025

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Paul Krugman, Nobel laureate in economics, former New York Times columnist now on Substack, offers his take on Pres. Trump's trade policy.

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0:00.0

Listener supported WNYC Studios.

0:07.2

It's the Brian Larrow Show on WNYC. Good morning, everyone. You know the old comedy, the Keystone cops,

0:25.9

you know, the police officers who bumbled and bungled their way through their jobs,

0:30.5

maybe we are now seeing a strain of the Keystone Doge cops or the Keystone Downsiders, or less charitably, the Keystone Authoritarians doing this in

0:42.3

ways that grab more power from other branches of government more than they save the taxpayers' money.

0:47.9

What's the context for all this?

0:49.4

Well, there is an ever-increasing list of blunt instrument, you know, chainsaw-type firings that are being

0:57.1

reversed. The latest, which came yesterday, maybe you've heard this, is a court has ordered

1:02.3

the administration to reinstate 6,000 agriculture department employees. Why? Well, they all got

1:09.4

letters saying they were being fired for poor

1:11.6

performance when actually no performance reviews went into those dismissals. It was just a

1:18.4

firing of everyone in their employment category. Imagine if that happened to you. Fired with a paper

1:23.5

record that says you perform poorly when you weren't evaluated that way at all. And it's not a

1:29.8

one-off. NBC News notes the ruling effects only the USDA, but other agencies have carried out

1:37.5

similar mask firings of probationary employees, meaning the order could have a wider impact.

1:47.1

Here's another one, also from NBC News.

1:55.5

Trump admin is rethinking Guantanamo immigrant detention plan amid cost issues and power struggles.

2:00.2

Cost issues and power struggles. So maybe that doesn't turn out to be a good deal for the taxpayers either.

2:05.5

And add those to the list, which already included this from Politico.

2:12.2

Trump administration backtracks on Forest Service firings. And this from Reuters, two weeks ago,

2:19.0

federal workers responsible for America's nuclear weapons, scientists trying to fight a worsening outbreak of bird flu, and officials responsible for supplying electricity, just those little things,

2:24.4

are among those who have been accidentally fired in President Donald Trump's rush to lay off

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