I have a quick but important ask. As you're probably aware, Green Dreamer is an independent

podcast and we don't take on corporate advertisers to fund our work because we don't want those

considerations to influence our curiosities or our abilities to question whatever it is that we want to question.

So if you value and believe in our work, this is our call out.

We need your direct support in order to continue this podcast.

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grateful for whatever form or level of support that you're able to share with us.

So the problem with the term climate crisis is that... or level of support that you're able to share with us?

So the problem with the term climate crisis is that it puts it out there somewhere,

up there, as if it's happening to us.

And some we're just victims or, you know,

and I'm not saying that people are not being affected,

but they are being affected, of course. But I'm just saying, but as a mental construct, we are using the mindset to cause the problem. And the problem is caused by humanity objectifying the living world

and selling it to the highest bidder, including people, by the way, not just emmels and forests

and minerals.

You're listening to Green Dreamer, and I'm your host, Kamea Shane.

Today I'm sharing my latest conversation with Paul Hawken, the founder of Project Drawdown and Project

Regeneration, and the author of nine books, including Blessed Unrest, Drawdown, Regeneration,

and his latest, Carbon, the Book of Life. I remember first learning about Paul's work when I was

just starting to learn about climate and environmental issues

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