Jesus and the Apostle Paul are two of the most important figures in Christianity. One is the Son of God and

saviour of the world. The other is a founding figure of the church and a man whose teachings and

writings continue to inform the theology of modern Christianity. Surely Paul's writings teach Jesus' message,

don't they? Today we're exploring the differences between the teachings of Jesus and Paul,

and why many Christians will tell you that, actually, they teach the same thing.

Stay tuned for all of that, and much more.

Welcome to Misquoting Jesus with Bart Ehrman.

The Only Show, for a six-time New York Times bestselling author and world-renowned Bible scholar,

uncovers the many fascinating, little-known facts about the New Testament, the historical Jesus, and the rise of Christianity.

I'm your host, Megan Lewis. Let's begin. Ask most Christians, and they'll likely tell you that Jesus

and Paul teach the same things about salvation and how to attain it. Ask a critical scholar of the

New Testament, and they'll probably tell you something else. How and why did Paul change Jesus' message?

To answer those questions, we have, as always, Bart Erman.

But before we get to that, Bart, hello, how are you today?

Doing pretty well today.

We've had kind of rough weather here for a while, and the sun is out today.

So when this is done, I'm going to take my dog for a long walk.

She's a golden doodle.

Doodles are water retrieving dogs, and this is a dog who doesn't like water. Not just rain, but like she won't swim. So anyways, that's a sunny day. I'll take her out. So how are you doing? Do you have pets? You have pets. You have pets. Do you have children? Yeah, I do. I have children. We have a couple of cats and multiple fish, and I grew up with

Labradores who are absolutely water animals. And any time we took, we lived in a very rural area

with a lot of ponds and lakes and fields that we could go and romp through. So any time we took

the dogs out, someone would come home soaking wet. And then you just have wet dog smell for the rest of the day. Well, that's it. And, you know, it's not easy to dry off dogs. And it's like it takes a while. And they do, yeah, it does create an olfactory sensation. It really does. It's very on the pungent side. Yeah, you're right. So I was wondering, you and I both go back and forth to the UK and between the UK and the US

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