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The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

Patriots and Loyalists | Interview: Ken Burns

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

News, Politics

4.66.3K Ratings

🗓️ 12 January 2026

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Jonah Goldberg is joined by Ken Burns, the prolific American filmmaker behind documentaries on the Civil War and American Revolution. The two discuss the importance of historical narratives, why George Washington is so pivotal, and whether Jonah would have been a Loyalist or Patriot. Show Notes:—Washington Monthly's review of The American Revolution (2025)—Jonah's Next 250 essay: "The American Revolution Was a Really Big Deal" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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There's a stillness in such hours that presses a man to reflection.

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And it seems to me a fitting moment to set down a few words of introduction.

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I wish to commend to you a man entrusted with a charge both grave and uncommon.

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His name is Ken Burns. He bears no blade and keeps no rank, yet he stands his watch all the same.

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He has taken upon himself the labor of guarding what time would otherwise scatter and destroy. Where years would wear all meaning

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thin, he gathers, where forgetting would prevail. He holds fast. He reads our letters folded and worn,

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written in haste in fear, in hope, and he reads them as one reads the sacred page, slowly with care, knowing that

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