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Let's Find Common Ground

Patriotism: Pride, Race and Reckoning. Theodore Johnson

Let's Find Common Ground

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52.7K Ratings

🗓️ 25 May 2023

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Memorial Day honors the men and women who sacrificed their lives in service to our country. In our next podcast episode, we discuss different ways to look at patriotism. Our guest, retired US naval officer and Washington Post newspaper columnist Theodore Johnson ponders the question, “How can we take pride in a nation with a history of injustice and inequality?” At a high school football game, Johnson, who is African-American, stood at attention when the national anthem was played. His teenage son, who was about to play in the game, took a knee in a protest against police brutality. Johnson argues that both acts were expressions of patriotism and is proud of his son's decision. "For me, being a patriot is not about uncritical celebration and talking only about how exceptional we are and how great the country is," Johnson tells us. "Being a true patriot requires that you both love the nation and critique it." On this insightful episode of "Let's Find Common Ground", Theodore Johnson also discusses his thoughts for how America can have more productive and uplifting discussions about race. Please tell us what you think! Share your feedback in this short survey. For every survey completed, we’ll plant 5 trees. Common Ground Podcast Feedback Survey (qualtrics.com)

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0:00.0

Ted Johnson spent two decades in the US Navy.

0:03.2

He's an African-American who loves his country.

0:06.5

What follows is a nuanced conversation about patriotism and race.

0:10.9

Being a patriot is not about uncritical celebration.

0:14.1

It's not about talking about only how exceptional we are,

0:17.5

only how great the country is.

0:19.6

Being an actual true patriot requires that you love the nation

0:23.4

and that you critique it so that it will be a better version of itself.

0:30.0

This is Let's Find Common Ground.

0:34.6

I'm Ashley Melntite.

0:36.5

And I'm Richard Davies.

0:37.7

We release this episode to mark Memorial Day,

0:40.9

which honors the men and women who sacrifice their lives

0:45.0

in service to our country.

0:46.6

We discuss different ways to think about patriotism and race

0:49.9

with retired US naval officer Ted Johnson.

0:52.9

He writes a column for the Washington Post,

0:55.0

and he's also a senior advisor to the nonprofit group New America.

0:59.6

Ted is the author of the book,

1:01.2

when the stars begin to fall,

1:03.8

overcoming racism and renewing the promise of America.

1:08.4

We start this interview with a personal story

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