I think it makes you more patriotic to be like, I don't like this and I want to fix it

than to be like, everything's fine. I'm not going to do anything. I will let this whole country

crash and burn just to wave a flag and be like everything's great. You see that something is

wrong. You fix it. That is love. That is patriotism. We got to address the suburban women problem

because it's real. Welcome to the suburban women problem, a podcast for Red, Wine, and Blue.

Hi, everyone.

Thanks for joining us.

I'm Jasmine Clark.

I'm Rachel Vindman.

I'm Amanda Weinstein.

And this is a special Fourth of July bonus episode of the Suburban Women Problem.

This week is the Fourth of July.

And like a lot of Americans, I think everyone on this

podcast has some complicated and nuanced views on patriotism.

So we wanted to take a moment to speak about what patriotism means to us.

For me, I grew up in a town that has one of the top 10 Fourth of July celebrations in the country.

And we have, you know, there was always a big parade and a huge fireworks display.

And it was just a day to spend with friends and family and celebrate the United States and always just really patriotic, you know, all the time.

Then I grew up and I married a soldier. And I think for so long, I really believed, and I still believe in

American exceptionalism in a way. But I say in a way and couch it, I guess,

because the reality is, you know, the more I know and the more I seek out to learn,

things that weren't taught to me about my country and or things that I've chosen to ignore,

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