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Moral Maze

Patriot Games

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.5609 Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2021

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

It’s that time every two (or three) years when St George’s flags flap out of car windows and red cross bunting festoons the front of the houses of England football fans. At any other time, such behaviour might be greeted with suspicion, even concern, such is the pejorative perception of patriotism expressed by the English. Why does English patriotism have such bad PR? Patriots see their cause as unifying; a positive sense of the nation as something which holds us all together in our different tribes. Others reject being coerced to love their country, whether they like it or not, just because that’s where they happened to be born. Patriotism can’t escape the past. For those on the right of politics it’s often about celebrating one’s national story; for those on the left it’s about reckoning with it. Patriotism has always been inescapably political, but there is a sense on both sides that it has now been co-opted into the ‘culture wars’. Calls for schoolchildren to sing a ‘One Britain, One Nation’ song is seen as a disingenuous dog whistle for right-wing nationalists and racists, while criticism of the inclusion of ‘Rule Britannia’ during the Last Night of the Proms is, for others, a sign of ‘wokery gone too far’. Is English patriotism now intrinsically divisive and threatening, incapable of disentangling itself from authoritarian nationalism? Or can it be reclaimed and redeemed from what it has become in many people’s eyes? With Dia Chakravarty, Robert Beckford, Billy Bragg and Gavin Esler.

Producer: Dan Tierney.

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0:00.0

You're listening to a program from BBC Radio 4. You can download many more BBC Radio 4 programmes for free.

0:07.7

Find these at BBC.co.com. UK slash Radio 4. Good evening. It was only a football match and a long time coming,

0:15.1

seeing that I only just left school the last time an England football team beat Germany in a match that mattered.

0:20.9

A clash of sporting patriots that went our way.

0:24.2

Fate sent us victorious, happy and glorious,

0:26.9

and the Germans were not Uber-Ales or even Uber Us for once.

0:31.2

Ques St George, a Roman soldier who never came within a thousand miles of these islands,

0:35.5

and his flag which we actually ned from the Genoese.

0:38.8

Patriotism is suddenly okay again after being out of fashion.

0:42.2

The English version anyway, somehow it's always been fine to be a Scottish or Welsh patriot.

0:47.1

Brexit didn't help, but it's more than that.

0:49.3

A question of whether we should be proud of our past, or feel the need to atone for it, perhaps.

0:55.1

Is love of country a virtue, a unifying force, a cause and a spur,

0:59.8

or as much so-called progressive opinion would have it,

1:03.0

indistinguishable from nationalism, divisive, bigoted even,

1:06.7

a key driver of conflict?

1:08.6

My country, what's right, what's wrong?

1:10.7

That's our moral maze on patriotism tonight.

1:13.5

The panel, Anne McElvoy, senior editor at The Economist,

1:16.3

the feminist author and columnist Ella Weillan,

1:18.7

Mona Siddiqui, professor of Islamic and inter-religious studies

1:21.9

at Edinburgh University,

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